honda dealership sold me a filter that shows as a sp1. i have a sp2. will this work?

OK. They are

http://www.motorcycleinfo.calsci.com/FilterXRef.html

Try this. I use the Purolator filter.....just a bit more insurance and a few coins cheaper tha OEM from the dealer.

Supposedly the SP1 engine has a higher oil pressure than the SP2.

The 00 SP1 is different, 01 SP1 to 06 SP2 I believe are the same.Hiflo filter for a 00 is hf 303, from 01 on is hf 204

The 00 SP1 is different, 01 SP1 to 06 SP2 I believe are the same

OOPPSS you are correct. It is the 00 which has the higher pressure.

the filter i was sold was blue so i was a little thrown at first. it also seems to have a little bit more capacity that the black one
the blue one has apart number of 15410-mt7-003


after calling the honda shop and explaining that the filter was for a 2000-2001 and them telling me that they didnt stock the filter they sold me, i rode the bike up there and showing them the filter on the bike and the reciept the agreed to swap for the correct filter and top off the oil. im prob being paranoid but im riding to the beach this weekend and last thing i want is issues.

http://www.motorcycleinfo.calsci.com/FilterXRef.html

Try this. I use the Purolator filter.....just a bit more insurance and a few coins cheaper tha OEM from the dealer.

Thanks for that MB. I had that site but lost it. It's back in my favorites, that's one hell of a site!

the filter i was sold was blue so i was a little thrown at first. it also seems to have a little bit more capacity that the black one
the blue one has apart number of 15410-mt7-003


after calling the honda shop and explaining that the filter was for a 2000-2001 and them telling me that they didnt stock the filter they sold me, i rode the bike up there and showing them the filter on the bike and the reciept the agreed to swap for the correct filter and top off the oil. im prob being paranoid but im riding to the beach this weekend and last thing i want is issues.

Interesting. The first oem filter I bought WAS blue. the second one was black, the tech said it updated from the blue one. Since i have a 2000, I'll look into it also. Or just get the Purolator that Madbuyer uses...

I think it was on Speedzilla where Hord post something about the 00 having higher oil pressure than the 01 and later engines. Hence the different filters.

I went to my dealership today. I asked the parts tech about the 2000's only oil filter. He told me this was right. And their records showed that I did get the blue one at first. That was last of stock and the black one now replaces it. He told me the part numbers.
For year 2000 it was 15410-MT7-505. the blue one.
Now it's superseded by 15410-MT7-003. the black one.
For what it's worth.

2000 UP all take the same filter.

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Bob

My concern with most of the aftermarket filters are they cover all the RC51 years. The 00 runs a different filter for a reason. It has taken me some time to find where I read this. I found it on the Rouge site.

The blue 00 filter is slightly longer than the black 01 filter.
The main difference between the two filters is the pressure relief valve [bypass valve] inside the filter. The internal oil pressure is different on the 01/02 engine. The reason the black filter is shorter is to clear the headers on the 954 which uses the same filter as the 01/02/03 RC51. Honda decided to have one filter to cover several engines. The blue 00 filter has not been discontinued. The black filter will fit the 00 engine but the bypass valve can open at high rpm due to oil pressure and bypass the filter media.
Use the blue filter on the 00 engine and the black filter on 01 up.

what you are implying is that the '00 has higher oil pressure than the other model years (which seems odd because the oil pump is the same part number?). So it would be ok to run the blue filter on later year bikes (except that maybe in the event of filter failure with the blue filter the oil pressure might not be high enough to bypass)?

The 00 motor can see a higher oil flow to the filter at high rpm than the 01/02 motor. Honda changed the internal oil pressure relief valve inside the engine in 01. The purpose of the valve inside the oil filter is to open in case the filter becomes clogged allowing oil to bypass the filter media. All engines are rated at 63 psi at 5000 rpm at the filter. The black filter works on the 00 motor. At sustained high rpm's, such as on the race track the black filter may bypass some oil. This will not harm the engine. All filters with bypass valves will bypass some oil under certain conditions such as start up in very cold weather. The internal engine bypass valve can open under certain conditions completly bypassing the oil filer.
The net is if you have blue filters available run the blue filter on the 00 engine, black filters on 01-03.

I've had 3 different places (2 dealerhips and Roseville Cycle) tell me the blue filter has been discontinued. They are not obtainable anymore.
If someone can buy them at a reasonable cost, please tell me where.

Glad I read this. Appears that my local shop didn't know what they were doing when they sold me the black filter for my '00...but then, neither did I. Should I go back down and ask/say something about it, or will it be ok until the next change? I don't generally kick 9k often, so oil bypass issues SHOULDN'T (?) be an issue. But if I was supposed to get a difference (blue) filter, I want to know and I will mention it to the kid who sold me the wrong filter.

Glad I read this. Appears that my local shop didn't know what they were doing when they sold me the black filter for my '00...but then, neither did I. Should I go back down and ask/say something about it, or will it be ok until the next change? I don't generally kick 9k often, so oil bypass issues SHOULDN'T (?) be an issue. But if I was supposed to get a difference (blue) filter, I want to know and I will mention it to the kid who sold me the wrong filter.

They were right. Most dealers are saying that the black filter up-dates the blue one. If you go back, that's what they will tell you. Believe me, I've been thru it, trying to determine for sure about this issue.
I think the black filter is fine for the 2000. Honda swears it is...
btw, last oil change I switched to Mobil 1 filter and oil.

http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb237/madbuyer/Filter.png

Do your filters you desire look something like this? Honda would not change the filters over without assuring the function and fit of the filter to be equal or greater. Take it from someone who works with Honda on Honda products everyday, these changes are NOT easy.;) These were probably commized to reduce costs.

I work for a HONDA dealership.. And all the SP1, and SP2 oil filter have been superseded to 15410-MFJ-D01 filters... Which is the same filters used on most of the Newer bikes-Goldwings, CBRs, VFRs, VTRs, and yes our RC-51s....

I work for a HONDA dealership.. And all the SP1, and SP2 oil filter have been superseded to 15410-MFJ-D01 filters... Which is the same filters used on most of the Newer bikes-Goldwings, CBRs, VFRs, VTRs, and yes our RC-51s....

You sure about that? The last time I bought a honda filter, August 4th, it was 15410-MT7-003. Look at post #11

I use for several years in my bikes Super Tech ST7317 Oil Filters.

You sure about that? The last time I bought a honda filter, August 4th, it was 15410-MT7-003. Look at post #11

Yeah, I am sure, My job there at the dealership is a certified Hond Parts Pro. certified by Honda,

Yeah, I am sure, My job there at the dealership is a certified Hond Parts Pro. certified by Honda,

Maybe you could ask Honda about the lineage of the filters?? Just kidding, the Purolators work just fine.

Madbuyer had to "google' lineage"Ha Ha" ....You know I should post a thread - where every part code - is a code to what part honda produces - Like 15410-***-*** specifies what filter it is for((Specifical OIL) fuel,oil, air,etc)
And for- lineage- I work with a man, that has worked for Honda, since he left college , over 35 years ago- and- what you have asked- I asked him , more than a year ago... He laughed and specified - that it all come down to money... Superceding parts ( filter, etc) has done done nothing -but increase price and reduce selection....

In 2005 , When i bought my VTR, to join the family of V-twins , I own -it used a different oil filter..Than the 2003 RC-51 i owned, and NOW all three bikes ( 2003(RED),2006(BLK) RC-51s and the 2001 S-hawk) all use the same oil filter... Yet that filter in 2005 was $4.79... Now supersesed to the "MFJ", 15410-MFJ-D01 has replaced that other filter... to the price of $9.99

Tell you what- walk into a dealership -and ask for the MFJ filter, and tell me if the sales rep can't sale/give you one - I will send you one - for $9.99 "SHIPPED"

Mad buyer- lineage on the Honda filters- The 2000-2001 SP-1 used a 15410-MJO-???, and the 2002-2006 SP-2 used the 15410-MFJ-D01.... and now the MJO is superseded...
And I have read the DEBATES on Oil Filter and OIL , in mulitplies of forums ( RougeRC51,Speedzilla, Superhawkforum, and here) to
Personnel Opinion is what is best , and going to be used...

Ha...nicely done. thats for all the folks who choose to use OEM filters. Thanks

Wow, why am I surprised at 20+ posts on a oil filter thread? You can look up the part numbers on either bike at a number of online dealer websites. I prefer this one, as they are the cheapest I have found: http://www.cyclecentralpowersports.com/fiche_select1.asp?cat=Motorcycles&mfg=Honda

Yeah, $9 a pop on the oem Honda filters is getting a little rediculous. I think that probably has more to do with the exchange rate going in the crapper over the last five years than anything else. Filters really aren't that complicated or different from one brand to another. Some are better than others, but the "worse" ones aren't going to grenade your engine. Pricewise the OEM ones are okay for most. Change your oil often enough and it doesn't really matter what you use. Just don't use the cleanable kind. Unless you can flow test the thing after each cleaning.

Just my two cents, I think I'll go start a tire or oil thread now.

So, to sum up what b.miller said... Waste a bunch of money on overchanging the oil so you can run a cheap filter.

Or, you can buy a Premium oil and a Top Tier filter so you can change at the specified interval.

Also, it won't make a difference if you change the filter every time before you ride, if it does not do a good job, it does so whether on the bike for 5 miles, 500 miles or 5000 miles, it will still do the same inadequate job at filtering out particles.

The Best isn't cheap
Cheap isn't The Best

Bob

So, to sum up what b.miller said... Waste a bunch of money on overchanging the oil so you can run a cheap filter.

Or, you can buy a Premium oil and a Top Tier filter so you can change at the specified interval.

Also, it won't make a difference if you change the filter every time before you ride, if it does not do a good job, it does so whether on the bike for 5 miles, 500 miles or 5000 miles, it will still do the same inadequate job at filtering out particles.

The Best isn't cheap
Cheap isn't The Best

Bob

I don't think I said to buy cheap filters or change your oil every ride. For 99% of riders, regular oil change intervals recommended by the manufacturer with just about any oil or filter are going to be more than adequate.

Wow, why am I surprised at 20+ posts on a oil filter thread? You can look up the part numbers on either bike at a number of online dealer websites. I prefer this one, as they are the cheapest I have found: http://www.cyclecentralpowersports.com/fiche_select1.asp?cat=Motorcycles&mfg=Honda

Yeah, $9 a pop on the oem Honda filters is getting a little rediculous. I think that probably has more to do with the exchange rate going in the crapper over the last five years than anything else. Filters really aren't that complicated or different from one brand to another. Some are better than others, but the "worse" ones aren't going to grenade your engine. Pricewise the OEM ones are okay for most. Change your oil often enough and it doesn't really matter what you use. Just don't use the cleanable kind. Unless you can flow test the thing after each cleaning.

Just my two cents, I think I'll go start a tire or oil thread now.

I don't think he's saying waste a bunch of money on changing to frequently. I've been around engines of all sorts, and everything said here stands to reason, and my experiences too.
A tire thread hmmmm...., why didn't i think of that? :D