Basic Racer and Complete Racer? - Honda RC51 Forum : RC51 Motorcycle Forums
Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
post #1 of 21 (permalink) Old 06-08-2011, 12:35 AM Thread Starter
Member
 
McWag's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Norfolk, VA
Posts: 56
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Basic Racer and Complete Racer?

I just wanted to expand my Rc51 knowledge a little. These intrigued me. All I know is they we race ready bikes you had to order through Honda at Thousand Oaks. Differences? ANd how did they look when the customer received them? i've only seen black, we re they painted black or what? Any pics. Thanks
McWag is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #2 of 21 (permalink) Old 06-08-2011, 12:58 AM
Lifetime Premium
 
gts455's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Deutschland/Colorado Springs
Posts: 3,169
Mentioned: 4 Post(s)
Quoted: 37 Post(s)
They were pretty cool stuff. Basic racer was an entry level bike that was completely stripped down of all it's road going gear, lights, got a stripped down basic wiring harness, track fairings, and it got a small performance package that made some gains equivalent to a nicely tuned street RC51. Basically a track ready bike.
The complete Racer on the other hand was as close to a factory works race bike as you could get putting out about 185 hp.

2001 Honda RC51 SP1
1996 Honda CBR 900RR
2003 Aprilia RSV Mille R
1999 Aprilia RS50
2012 Triumph Daytona 675R (Sold)
2010 BMW S1000RR (Sold)
2005 Yamaha R6 (Sold)
gts455 is offline  
post #3 of 21 (permalink) Old 06-08-2011, 01:19 AM
Lifetime Premium
 
gts455's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Deutschland/Colorado Springs
Posts: 3,169
Mentioned: 4 Post(s)
Quoted: 37 Post(s)
white is basic racer black is complete racer
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	basic racer.jpg
Views:	376
Size:	55.9 KB
ID:	1425   Click image for larger version

Name:	complete racer.jpg
Views:	523
Size:	74.0 KB
ID:	1426  

2001 Honda RC51 SP1
1996 Honda CBR 900RR
2003 Aprilia RSV Mille R
1999 Aprilia RS50
2012 Triumph Daytona 675R (Sold)
2010 BMW S1000RR (Sold)
2005 Yamaha R6 (Sold)
gts455 is offline  
 
post #4 of 21 (permalink) Old 06-08-2011, 11:45 AM
Old & Slow Admin
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: In a house
Posts: 274
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
If I remember, the basic racer was like $20k, the complete racer was over $100k.
njracer is offline  
post #5 of 21 (permalink) Old 06-08-2011, 01:13 PM
Lifetime Premium
 
gts455's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Deutschland/Colorado Springs
Posts: 3,169
Mentioned: 4 Post(s)
Quoted: 37 Post(s)
i think the basic was 18k and the complete was 108k

2001 Honda RC51 SP1
1996 Honda CBR 900RR
2003 Aprilia RSV Mille R
1999 Aprilia RS50
2012 Triumph Daytona 675R (Sold)
2010 BMW S1000RR (Sold)
2005 Yamaha R6 (Sold)
gts455 is offline  
post #6 of 21 (permalink) Old 06-08-2011, 01:15 PM
Moderator
 
SubSailor's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Sarasota, FL
Posts: 6,467
Mentioned: 24 Post(s)
Quoted: 89 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by njracer View Post
If I remember, the basic racer was like $20k, the complete racer was over $100k.
Basic Racer was essentially a stripped down RC51 while the Complete Racer was a complete WSBK-spec bike.
Basic racer was quoted at around $16,000 (about $4000 above street version MSRP) while the Complete Racer was $107,000 from HRC.

Last edited by SubSailor; 06-08-2011 at 01:20 PM.
SubSailor is online now  
post #7 of 21 (permalink) Old 06-08-2011, 03:06 PM
Junior Member
 
chickwebb's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2011
Posts: 2
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
All the info here is essentially correct. FBR had low-mount Akra's in addition to the stripped-down harness, race ECU (130 hp out-of-the-box), and race plastics.

I picked up my Basic Racer in late 2008 from the original owner in SF. He'd gotten it from a Honda dealer in Reno in '03 with the intention of racing it in the AFM starting in '04. Before that, he updated it with Attack clip-ons, rearsets and adjustable offset triple clamps, SP2 wheels, Kyle link and Ohlins shock, and had Kyle breath on the forks. Then, after just a couple of trackdays, he took it out and crashed it in the Saturday practice before the first AFM round. That necessitated new skins (Sharkskinz) and exhaust system (Akra's were trashed :-( ). Thus, it got the rainbow Mori's and a solid black paint job.

This is what it looked like when I picked it up.



I've done quite a few trackdays in the three years since and it's a very well set-up and enjoyable ride. Only big change I've made was to add a slipper. Other than that it's just been gas and oil and tires. Lots of tires.

Lowsided it twice at Laguna, but it's just got a few scratches from that. It's a bit heavy, though it handles well and makes it around the track pretty quick. I'm old and slow but still manage 1:45s at Laguna, 1:58s at Sears Point, and 2:13s at Thunderhill. (I said I'm old and slow!)

Occasionally I lust after more corner speed or HP. I never wish for something that sounds better, though!


Last edited by chickwebb; 06-08-2011 at 03:17 PM.
chickwebb is offline  
post #8 of 21 (permalink) Old 06-08-2011, 03:37 PM
Senior Member
 
LDH®'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Posts: 2,216
Mentioned: 7 Post(s)
Quoted: 331 Post(s)
The basic racer was a joke. It cost more than the road going version and the only real difference was a slightly modded ECU and revised wiring harness.

Basically you would have come out a MUCH better to buy a road going version for less money then sell off the OEM lights & road going parts to fund the suspension mods the bike needed to be even remotely competitive.



The $108,000 model barely made 165 horsepower and still needed massive amounts of upkeep (read as $$$$$$) to maintain that level of performance & was not competitive in any series that it would likely be used in.


Neither of those two models let alone the production version that we bought off the showroom floors shared a single bolt with the Factory Race Team bikes that Hayden or Colin rode, not one single bolt!

Last edited by LDH®; 06-08-2011 at 03:40 PM.
LDH® is offline  
post #9 of 21 (permalink) Old 06-08-2011, 06:13 PM
Old & Slow Admin
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: In a house
Posts: 274
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by LDH® View Post


Neither of those two models let alone the production version that we bought off the showroom floors shared a single bolt with the Factory Race Team bikes that Hayden or Colin rode, not one single bolt!
IIRC, the factory bikes were in the $600K+ price range.....which is a bit more $$$ than the complete racer. lol
njracer is offline  
post #10 of 21 (permalink) Old 06-08-2011, 06:23 PM
Senior Member
 
LDH®'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Posts: 2,216
Mentioned: 7 Post(s)
Quoted: 331 Post(s)
I don't think anyone can put an actual price tag on the cost of the Factory RC51 racebikes. $600,000 might just be the lease amount not even including the cost of development parts, spares, rebuilds, tuning time, electronics and data acquisition or even optional parts like different transmission internals, quick change axles or even the labor for data analysts, motor swaps, rebuilds and shipping costs etc...
LDH® is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on the Honda RC51 Forum : RC51 Motorcycle Forums forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.

User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.

Email Address:
OR

Log-in










Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page
Display Modes
Linear Mode Linear Mode



Posting Rules  
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome