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Low Speed Turn In......

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I am curious as to your impressions of the RC's low speed turn in characteristics. I am comparing it to my FZR600 which is much lighter and tighter turn radius. I am finding that the low speed turns at lights and tight intersections are challenging for me. I am not sure if I need to reset the suspension as I am first trying to get used to it and then start playing with it. I am not sure I can explain what I mean ver well other than I have to slow more on this bike for 90 degree turn in and then when I do I feel the bike is not as stable (less gyroscopic effect I am sure). Maybe I am not pushing it hard enough?

Does anyone know what am I speaking of? Or I am wondering if its just me or the way my bike is set up.

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The bike wasn't made for slow maneuvers. The stock suspension is relitavely slow steering, which means that it requires more effort from the rider, but it aids in stability at speed. If you jack up the rear or raise the forks in the triple clamps, the bike will steer easier, but will become less stable.

And you hit the nail on the head with your for being lighter, that makes a big difference for bikes that have relitavely the same geometric suspension setup. A big huge cruiser that weighs more than both bikes combined might be easier to steer is slow speed situation, but it's suspension is completely different.

If you are curious about suspension, there is a good book by Andrew Trevitt (sp?) from sport rider magazine. There is also another one from another guy that I can't think of just yet, I'll have to get back to you.



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When I had my rear preload all the way down ( hey I'm only 5'6" I want to beable to touch the ground while learing new bike) it seemed like the bike was a little more willing to turn at low speeds <20mph.
Now that I have the ass back up in the air where it belongs I will never go back.

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I know what your talkin about I felt the same way going from my lighter gsxr 600 to the rc51 but after riding the bike a couple weeks i kinda got use to it an now its normal to me and i can flop the rc around pretty well and im 6ft1 and 160lbs so i dont have alot of weight to throw the bike but its comfortable
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Being that we are adding rider factors in- I am 5'11" and 235lbs. Relating to the question. I would agree with B.Miller- the RC-51 was never designed to run slow, and I compare this with my other bike 2001 S-hawk, which I can turn on a dime/at less than 20mph. So i know what your asking.. and this was addressed by GMDcomputrack when kent, set up the suspension.. It (RC-51)does better on the street, yet still isn't as nimble as the S-hawk at slower speeds, Yet what fun would that be..

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Now that I'm used to a fair amount of traffic riding on my RC51, I'm more capable with slow speed turns than I was on my VFR. I'm 5-10/~180 lbs. with gear. U-turns are an everyday thing here, so I sure get a lot of practice. I've never seen a city set up with more intentional u-turn intersections than mine - Sacramento. I only have 3 other bikes to compare it too though. VFR800, a metric cruiser, and a CBRf2.

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Mine's also fairly slow steering at low speeds, but it's a big heavy bike. The smaller and lighter a bike is the easier it is to handle at slow speeds (Take a scooter for example ) but I have no problem threading it through Japanese traffic. Back brake obviously helps when at crawling speeds & doing u-turns.

The tyres are quite wide which makes the steering a bit slower at low speeds too.
New tyres help a bit as the profile is more pointed.. correct tyre pressures too
(Apologies for not writing tyres with an "i" I know it's spelt differently in the US ).

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Mine turns just fine at lower speeds in my eyes, but has a Penske with a link which added 15+mm to the rear and the forks are at the first line.
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Thanks for your inputs guys...pretty much what I expected. I know this bike was never fully designed to be good at low speed turn in. I will check my steering head for adjustment just in case and continue to get used to the difference and perfect the turn (rear brakes do help).

BTW I lost my M endorsement on my license and had to take the written and driver test again. I used my FZR600 and barely could make the turn on that bike. I would never pass the test on the RC. The test part I am referring to is a 90 degree turn between two yellow lines separated that are roughly 3ft apart. The turning radius is so tight and the speed so low the bike wants to fall over. I almost felt like I was trialing the dam thing......such a stupid course to see if a rider is ready for the open road......

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BTW I lost my M endorsement on my license and had to take the written and driver test again. I used my FZR600 and barely could make the turn on that bike. I would never pass the test on the RC. The test part I am referring to is a 90 degree turn between two yellow lines separated that are roughly 3ft apart. The turning radius is so tight and the speed so low the bike wants to fall over. I almost felt like I was trialing the dam thing......such a stupid course to see if a rider is ready for the open road......
Find a Friend, That owns a Superhawk, ask to borrow the bike.. take the test... call it a day...
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