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2012 CBR and R1.....stunning

Usually not much of a huge fan of the Japanese I4 bikes schemes over the past years, but was in the dealer today and saw 3 2012 bikes that were stunning. Nice to see them changing it up a bit and going back to the classic looks.





2012 25th Anniversary CBR 1000RR in the classic HRC colors and HRC emblems.



2012 CBR 600RR with the classic red, black and white....with the old white 3 spoke wheels.



2012 50th Anniversary Yamaha R1, with the old Factory Race bike scheme.

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I sat on all of those bikes....I must admit, I looked good on each of them.



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Unfortunately, the Japanese took a beating in the economic meltdown, especially Yamaha who fared the worse.
Because of their budget constraints, there's no more total redesign every two years as there was prior to the recession.
Plus the sportbike market is down by around 45% worldwide as a result.

The Honda as new bodywork, big piston forks along, new Showa balance-free shock, new wheels, and throttle by wire. The Yamaha has traction control.
Both with MSRP's of around $13,900.

For myself, that's not enough to warrant buying one.
Instead, I'd buy a good used model and use the money to buy other toys, like exhaust and suspension mods.
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Unfortunately, the Japanese took a beating in the economic meltdown, especially Yamaha who fared the worse.
Because of their budget constraints, there's no more total redesign every two years as there was prior to the recession.
Plus the sportbike market is down by around 45% worldwide as a result.

The Honda as new bodywork, big piston forks along, new Showa balance-free shock, new wheels, and throttle by wire. The Yamaha has traction control.
Both with MSRP's of around $13,900.

For myself, that's not enough to warrant buying one.
Instead, I'd buy a good used model and use the money to buy other toys, like exhaust and suspension mods.
The used pricing is showing this trend too, Sub. I sold a 1000rr a few years back and that same bike today with more miles is the same price today on average.



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Yeah, the new body style on the 1000rr is nice looking. I'm glad they fixed the nose on it. I saw that 600 at the show and the dealer the other day. I really dig the red and white.

The Yamaha is really a disappointment to me. I really like the way my 2002 felt and looked. In fact I was trying to buy another 04-06 R1 back before the economy really took a dump and people were asking too much for them. That's how I wound up buying the RC. But sitting on the new R1 makes me wince a little. The big just feels way bigger physically. The air intakes are huge and the tank is also fatter. Yamaha also needs to ditch the undertail exhaust. It was cool four or five years ago, but now it makes the bike look fat. I don't really know how well they perform, but if they followed the trend of the '07+ models, they are more suited to the track than street.



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i agree, just really like the paint scheemes really. My biggest issue is the fact that they are Anniversary editions. The yamaha is even numbered, but apart from the paint there is nothing different. Maybe throw in some ohlins like triumph and all the italian brands do for there "special editions" or some Brembo's to justify the price.

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I've been eyeing these 08+ CBR 1000's for some time now...
That 2012 in the top is a stunning bike to me. Hmmmm, what can I sell...
No not my RC51 -NEVER!!!
But maybe some of my other stuff...

Glad you posted that gts455!

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The new CBR is by far the best package 'blade so far. Sadly it lacks the tech to hang with the tallest dogs out there (Duc and the Kawi offerings ) in raw performance capability in stone stock form. However, if you still want a streetable 'warrior' I-4 the CBR is the cat's ass (IMO). Better suspension, better plastic (yeah I know, cosmetics don't do diddly on the track), and the fly by wire throttle is good, but a miniscule decrease in power to weight ratio is just wrong. Drop it by 5 lbs (from the previous model, not where it 'porks' now) and increase the hp and then you're talking a serious gain in appeal for buyers. I personally don't need wheelie control like some of the competition raves about, the slipper and electronic dampener are just fine for wizardry for me. All the writers/testers say it's still the easiest litre bike to ride fast on the track and the numbers show it, even though it's second at best (test results). As for the R1 I really don't think theres any improvement there at all; if anything, it's regressed. I don't like the ergos (ok never did) and it feels huge in comparison to any other new 1000rr bike I've sat on (Honda, Duc, Kaw, BMW) and it just doesn't 'feel' right for me. Now in truth, I haven't had the chance to ride any of the '12s and likely won't get the chance unless one of my buds ends up with one and has a penchant for a quick trade ride this summer, so I can't be very objective with just a sit down on any of them...the truth is in the actual ride. I was real big on the VFR1200 when I sat on it too, but the fire soon sputtered after an hour in the saddle.

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