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Hey so, i recently picked up my third bike, an sp-1 and love it. She's seen some damage but runs strong.

I have a few questions and or just advice/direction for the front wiring harness (questions about the rear will most likely result in a different post in the future). i have been told what im looking at is a "rats nest" i like the term soup sandwich better. ...smh.

There are hid convert boxes, etc ....i know controversial, but i think i like em, but they are not really the worst part.

On both sides of the bike the front harness wiring and/or ignition switch wire and handle bar switch wire get pinched/bunched up and for the life of me i cannot seem to place it without it getting pinched again or slowing the rotation....

From my searching i have noticed im missing an inner upper and lower cowl. While i see the way thee cables kind of "dangle" over the radiator cap area in the service manual, it just doesnt make sense to me. I feel like i know the answer, but will these cowls/inner fairing ease my pain and give me a place for these cables? In my zip tie marathons i figured even if they wont find me peace, i will have more realestate for my zip ties...


Anyone for a game of "name that undertail"? I have searched through hell and high water (or so it seems) to id it as it does not have tail lights and fabricating them leaves me in the garage..i want to be on the road.

 

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The front inner and lower will help tidy up those wires. But it's still a challenge with the wiring, let alone with extra stuff. I just bought a brand new inner for about $50. I don't know how much the lower is.
That undertail is the same as mine, I've been told it's an older Hotbodies. I've seen plenty of others, but I like this one the best. You just lean the stock taillights against the oval openings. I can take pics if you run into problems with that.
 

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The lower inner cowl has areas on both sides that (in conjunction with the upper cowl) act as cable routing channels.
There's not a lot of room in the best of times, and that HID converter will make it oh so entertaining to fit it in there.
 

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Fortunately the RC51 has quite a large space behind the headlights, so I would make some aluminum mounting brackets to mount the HID balance units so that they can cool down properly.
However the inner cowlings are quite important whether you keep your HIDs or not.
Most of all they keep your couplings quite dry from water, in co-operation with the dielectric grease you put on them ;)
 

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You just lean the stock taillights against the oval openings. I can take pics if you run into problems with that.
I really love this under tail as well, more over when compared to available options now. It would be awesome if you could snap a few pictures of this for me particularlly how you have it mounted against the circles from the inside..

The square block, in circle opening thing bothers me though. When i picked her up the oem tail light was "angled" in just as you describe. Unfortunately however it was not secured to well at all and continually bumped around and was completely out of place by the time i got home. In my haste i actually ripped apart the oem tailight and had plans on making my own circular mounts for them. And still might try. I wonder if hotbodies originally sold it like this? Also East Toledo sells the inner cowl for 6 bucks cheaper:p

The lower inner cowl has areas on both sides that (in conjunction with the upper cowl) act as cable routing channels.
I think this is exactly what i needed to hear...for a little while there i thought i was going crazy. and the only person entertained here is my girl she's gotten a good kick out of it...smh

Fortunately the RC51 has quite a large space behind the headlights, so I would make some aluminum mounting brackets to mount the HID balance units so that they can cool down properly.
So it sounds safe to assume you dont run hids :) That sounds like a great idea though. They are currently velcroed into the flat portion of the nose, they seem to fit there nicely...:confused:. Do any HID users want to share with me there mounting potions? And without sounding like a total newb (to late) which couplings are you speaking of?

Also, thanks a lot guys. A bit of help from people who have been/know where the hell im at is reliving...
 

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If Makis recommends it, you can pretty much take that to the bank. He's one of our most knowledgeable members, along with SubSailor, LDH, madbuyer, b.miller123, The Stig, and a few others. These are the names on the top of my mind, cause they post a lot.
Glad you found HondaEastToledo. madbuyer recommended them to me, and that's where I got some of the bits I ordered recently. I couldn't find any cheaper, and they had free shipping a couple weeks ago.
Now off to get some pictures...
 

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i think you forgot mention jondog9, seriously yours and all the users you mentioned have been invaluable in my searches. I came across madbuyers recommend on east toledo just awhile back, and did a lengthy comparison on prices between them and other competitors that night and they pretty much got it, in some cases by a considerable difference. There shipping prices are rather high, specially for the smaller parts. But profit needs to made somewhere. pictures would be most appreciated, if you could imagine, and im sure you can the rear wiring is worse off than the front...
 

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Ok, picture's wortha thousand words right?
The picture of that rubber bushing cut diagonally, is an extra gas tank bushing I had left over. You might find something more suitable. It's 3/4 inch thick.
If you notice in that same picture, I trimmed off a little tab in the middle off the black bezel. That gives the clearance to hang your relays on the tabs.
 

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So it sounds safe to assume you dont run hids :)
No I don't.....so far a pair of OSRAM night-breaker bulbs are getting the job done very well for me. Why get in the trouble to pay and install HIDs?
And I don't forget how I speak names on others that coming on the opposite lane with HID bulbs installed on NON HID headlights and their beam strikes me directly in the eyes.
The HID bulbs need their own headlight mirror to spread the light correctly otherwise you just blind off the other way drivers.
Just my opinion......

And without sounding like a total newb (to late) which couplings are you speaking of?
 

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That's what I did as well.
Installed OSRAM/Sylvania bulbs in place of the OEM bulbs. Nice and bright.
Not as bright as HIDs, but better over OEM bulbs.
The RC51 had the best headlights of any bike I've owned so far.
 

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Ok, picture's wortha thousand words right?
The picture of that rubber bushing cut diagonally, is an extra gas tank bushing I had left over. You might find something more suitable. It's 3/4 inch thick.
If you notice in that same picture, I trimmed off a little tab in the middle off the black bezel. That gives the clearance to hang your relays on the tabs.
I think a picture in this case saves us all a few thousand words! Thank you! Went into the garage to install some tank cushions and saw this post and it actually lit the fire under my ass to peel back the rear harness and re-work it into place. I got tail light mounted pretty much the same as yours (outside of the angled bushing), i will post a few pic's when i get home, but while i love this undertail, the spacing it's design creates from the taillight cover to the end of the fairing bothers me. I think in the future im going to try and make a custom set that molds and fits flush up against the openings....thank you tho, your help is most appreciated. Also, that licences plate light? Any info on it?

The HID bulbs need their own headlight mirror to spread the light correctly otherwise you just blind off the other way drivers.
Just my opinion......
Yea, personally i would have never paid out the nose in time money and labor to install them, specially considering the additional "boxes" and mounting, but they were previously installed, which the owner was seemingly very proud of...(aplogies in an advance if we ever cross paths in different directions:eek:)
Im not sure if dissembling the headlight will be worth the mirrors...i may just take em out depending on how much of a pain in the arse putting the mirrors in is...and thank you for that picture, when i read couplings, i immediately thought of these, my name for those varies, but is not suitable for these forums, lol.

But again thank you! In regard to the grease, are you pulling each wire from the coupling, greasing and re-installing?

Also, i could be missing this entirely, but in regard to the upper and lower inner cowls (on there way), why is it not shown in the service manuals/owners. Like its placement in reference to the wiring harness / switch cables etc....
 

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.........and thank you for that picture, when i read couplings, i immediately thought of these. But again thank you!
I apologize for my english but I think I've read this term in the service manual. Maybe I am wrong.
No need to thank me my friend. We are just exchanging opinions. Each one of us is free to do what he wants on his bike. I have a lot of close friends that insisted on installing them HID kits in my workshop even after I explained to them the problem with OEM headlights. After all it's still their bike.
All I do here is to share what I would do or not do on my bike and why. That's it.:)


In regard to the grease, are you pulling each wire from the coupling, greasing and re-installing?
Each coupling is a pair. A male half with female terminals and a female half with male terminals.
I unplug the pair and put some grease with the tip of my finger, on the male half with the female terminals, filling up all the holes of the terminals. I also put a little, around it on the surface that goes into the female half. Not much though.
When you plug them back together you should see a bit of excess grease coming out towards the male half. That means that the space between the two halves is filled with grease so no humidity or water can go in.
The grease that you put in the front, filling the terminals holes will protect the area where the male and female terminals come in contact so even if some humidity or water enters from the back (on the RC they are not water proof like in newer models) it doesn't matter cause your contact point is dry due to the grease around it.;)
 
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