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Good Day, Gentlemen.
I apologize for being away from the Forum for so long, as I'd been off work since last December 20th. Just got back to work a couple of days ago & wanted to let you guys know that all is well. I realize that I don't contribute much to this Forum because I'm poor at doing maintenance on the bike & am technically disinclined at all things mechanical.
My stories are my way of contributing to this wonderful Forum & since I traveled quite a bit the last 3 months, I thought I'd share my glimpse into the different places I'd visited & share pictures & stories in a chronological fashion.
I'd been away for quite some time & also forgot my username & password, since both were changed (for a reason that I forget), before I left for vacation. And hence even more of a delay in getting back on. I've just been able to check the Forum for messages only, mainly from The Stig in Japan & have been unable to reply to posts, because of being at home with 2 small kids & a baby & trying to give my wife a break from her childcare duties, so that she could also get some much needed rest.
I'll post up my trips & adventures from the States in Dec - Jan & Pakistan in Feb & some of my travels in the Kingdom in Mar. soon, God-Willing.
I want to mention that it was great to talk to Jondog9, Weyrauchrc51 & James03rc & LuckyAdam in Seattle, while I was in the States. I still have to call RC-Devil in Atlanta & DuckHunter in Vancouver. Sorry, Guys. But traveling with 3 small kids was very hectic & I got your telephone numbers rather late & that made it more difficult because of the 9 hour time difference, as well. I lost 3 Kilograms weight or about 6.5 lbs, running ragged on vacation. It actually feels good to be back at work. Go figure (!).
Anyway.

So the first picture is the obligatory one of the bike.

The second is one with my biker friends, with whom I got to spend some much needed time.

The third picture was taken at my friend & colleagues' house in Lahore, Pakistan. I was reminded of my "good ol' days", posing with a knuckleduster & a revolver. The revolver was taken from a Taliban by a friend of his in MI (Military Intelligence), after a firefight in Afghanistan.
I posed in front of books on Medicine because I'd rather beat them up for what they did to me. (sob, sob).

The fourth picture is one take with some traffic cops in Lahore. They're laughing at my apology of being a total idiot on the roads, when I was much younger studying Medicine in Lahore. I said I was sorry for my shenanigans & that I'd hoped that they would find it in their hearts to forgive me.

The last one is the one view that was very therapeutic for me, while on vacation !

Take Care, Gentlemen.
I'm glad to be back among your good company.
 

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HEY! DOC!!!


"running ragged on vacation" this seems like a oxymoron! haha
 

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Hello Doc, Thanks for the call... even though we had a bad connection.

Was funny trying to talk... all I could hear was broken static !
I did manage to make out a few jumbled words. LOL.

Glad to hear all is well, and thanks for the long text message after the attempted phone calls.
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PS.
I am on Vancouver Island... not in V city.



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Canada has islands??? i thought it was all just bacon, carbon fiber and Tim Horton's?:p:D
 

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Canada has islands??? i thought it was all just bacon, carbon fiber and Tim Horton's?:p:D
...You forgot the maple syrup! :p

Good to see you back here doc, at last!
Looking forward to seeing you on here a bit more when you get the chance.
Moto GP starts this weekend, so go to www.motogp.com & get yourself a year's membership so you have plenty of bike action to inspire you over the coming season. :)
 

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...You forgot the maple syrup! :p

Good to see you back here doc, at last!
Looking forward to seeing you on here a bit more when you get the chance.
Moto GP starts this weekend, so go to www.motogp.com & get yourself a year's membership so you have plenty of bike action to inspire you over the coming season. :)
and the Loonies and twonies.:p

Hey Doc, you can start you true vacation by going back to work.:D

I think we can forgive you self perceived poor maintenance skills...its not like you work on one of the most complex machines on earth, humans.:cool:

Welcome back.
 

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Welcome back Doc!!! Glad you made it back safely from your trip back home...I know there were some concerns.

You know you had a good vacation when you need a separate vacation to recover from the planned vacation.

It was great talking to you and look forward to your next visit.

Take care!
 

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Hey Doc!!!!
Welcome back!! Your stories and influences are always missed here when you're gone. Glad you were able to get some time off to enjoy life and family... AND MOTORCYCLES!!!
Just wanted to mention, you have great taste! Those gloves are nice!!! :eek: and pricey!
I tend to stick with the Alpinestars GP Pro, more in my budget
Love the Spies edition helmet too!

So you didn't say whether they let you off or not... Judging by the look from the photo, you did just fine! :D
 

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Get Lucky.

Hey, Guys.
For some reason, I can't quote your messages.

James, thank you for your kind comment. I missed being on the Forum.

William, I had major concerns, but all was well where I "inserted". I had a safehouse & the ground support was outstanding. I was covered well.

John, you're very right that I think that my job is a vacation. Life here is stress free. Once I go home, no one calls me from work. And I studied so much when I was younger, out of fear of missing a diagnosis, that it's paid some dividends for me. But I did miss out on Life. Hence my inability to do anything but be a doctor.

Matt, I apologize for getting mixed up about where you're located. I was looking at the map in the wrong hemisphere. You're up & to the left, right ?!?

Shan, Man, you should've left out the "oxy" part in the word 'oxymoron'. You nailed it !

Miguel, it's always a pleasure to hear from you. I'll try & make it to Japan one day. I hope.

Adam, thank you for your kind words, as is usual with your ever positive attitude with everything around you. I just thought that expensive stuff would've been better, but I've learnt some "priceless"(!) lessons in life doing that. Those cops in Lahore were very understanding about my late apology. They even invited me for breakfast, but since I had to get to the airport, I took a raincheck.

Paul, thank you kindly for your support & advice on things two wheeled or one barrelled. I really respect your opinions & advice.

Have A Wonderful Day, Gentlemen.
Take Care.
 

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Welcome back buddy. Really enjoyed the write up and am looking forward to more stories from your vacation.
 

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Hey Doc, welcome back man. Your stories and photos were missed

James

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HEY! DOC!!!


"running ragged on vacation" this seems like a oxymoron! haha
Hello Doc, Thanks for the call... even though we had a bad connection.

Was funny trying to talk... all I could hear was broken static !
I did manage to make out a few jumbled words. LOL.

Glad to hear all is well, and thanks for the long text message after the attempted phone calls.
:cool:

PS.
I am on Vancouver Island... not in V city.



...You forgot the maple syrup! :p

Good to see you back here doc, at last!
Looking forward to seeing you on here a bit more when you get the chance.
Moto GP starts this weekend, so go to www.motogp.com & get yourself a year's membership so you have plenty of bike action to inspire you over the coming season. :)
and the Loonies and twonies.:p

Hey Doc, you can start you true vacation by going back to work.:D

I think we can forgive you self perceived poor maintenance skills...its not like you work on one of the most complex machines on earth, humans.:cool:

Welcome back.
Welcome back Doc!!! Glad you made it back safely from your trip back home...I know there were some concerns.

You know you had a good vacation when you need a separate vacation to recover from the planned vacation.

It was great talking to you and look forward to your next visit.

Take care!
Hey Doc!!!!
Welcome back!! Your stories and influences are always missed here when you're gone. Glad you were able to get some time off to enjoy life and family... AND MOTORCYCLES!!!
Just wanted to mention, you have great taste! Those gloves are nice!!! :eek: and pricey!
I tend to stick with the Alpinestars GP Pro, more in my budget
Love the Spies edition helmet too!

So you didn't say whether they let you off or not... Judging by the look from the photo, you did just fine! :D
Welcome back buddy. Really enjoyed the write up and am looking forward to more stories from your vacation.

Hey, Paul. I was in the midst of trying to multiquote all of the replies to my post, including yours, when I saw that my "new" post got inserted before yours. So, if you go back one page, you'lll see my reply to your post & the rest of the comments on this thread.

Sorry about the mess up.

Picture is of some of my biker friends here, engaging in some antics. My friend on the Suzuki, in the blue jacket, is in the Army here.
 

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Glad all is well with you Doc. I've been absent due to vacation as well. Restoreth the soul and all that.:D
 

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Hi Atif! I must be getting veeeeeeeery old! I missed this thread too!
I got your PM, sorry to hear, but it sounds like getting together for a ride is not an option this year. Ok, maybe in the near future...
Take good care, be safe, stay crazy, and keep the rubber side down!
 

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Hey Doc, good to see you pop on here now and then. Our friend Carlos will soon be leaving Japan to return to the UK fter 3 years in Japan so we have planned a weekend's riding on the roads I know around Fuji mountain, before we pack his bike into his wife's minivan bought this week (Which will go to the UK as their 2nd car).
Assuming the weather's good, it should be epic & we should have some decent photos...

I also have an old biker friend flying into Japan for a week in mid April from S.E Asia to say hello. A long time ago he used to ride an R80 BMW. Anyways, he's looking forward to riding my VFR and maybe my SP2 as well. We can switch bikes. No doubt I'll take him to the Fuji roads again, as they're the best I know within reach of Tokyo.

So we should have some pics for you to see in the next couple of weeks - something to look out for. :)

If you & family are flying back to Riyadh soon - have a safe trip! :)
 

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Following on from Atif's reply here, I thought I'd edit & add a couple of stories of riding vacations of years past.

This is a sort of introduction, cum story about my VFR750. Bear with me - this isn't a story about another bike, but I think it might be fun to tell it's story so I can explain what initially inspired me towards the VFR:

About 20 years ago I had one of those NX650 Dominators. Great bike to hoon around on. It would lean & lean till the frame began to wear itself into the ground, wheelie off the lights & stoppie at the next one.
Rode mine with my friend on his (then new) XT600E all the way from UK to Greece & back.



On the first day, from morning till 5am we got as far as the South of France. On the way there we'd used no highways at all. Just great French roads, including the unforgettable D911. So many corners that after hours of riding fast chasing one another, we realised there were (tired!) muscles in our legs we hadn't realised even existed down there...

Shattered, with dawn coming up - we couldn't find an open petrol station, so we searching till we found someone's nice garden with no cars in the drive. We pitched our tent very lop-sidedly and fell asleep. A few hours of rest and we were off again, to meet a group of friends staying in a little French farmhouse a couple of hour's riding away...

Being an adventurous sort, Beth, the blonde girl wanted to come with us. We had no helmet or gear for her, so she donned a pair of Scuba goggles and a sarong wrapped around her head as a makeshift helmet!
These soon came off as we enjoyed the wind in our hair...The oncoming French were very good at warning us of police ahead and we'd cut across villages, etc. Took us about 10 days to reach the south of Italy riding through beautiful national parks such as Abruzzo and stopping to see Sienna and other beautiful places.
Later on we scrounged an old helmet too.
Truth be told much of the time we rode without helmets; These were our younger and more foolish days...



By the time we got to the south of Italy her beautiful golden hair had woven itself into a thick mat!
As she had no money to continue our adventure together she needed to return to Rome so we parted ways and Beth continued her return journey on a train. Later she confided in us she hadn't been able to catch a taxi on arrival to Rome because the drivers all thought by her appearance & white plastic bags with her belongings - that she was a homeless person!
We're still friends to this day... Oh & she managed to untangle her hair. I learnt a lesson during this trip - never have girls with long hair ride on the back without braids...

Brindisi (Italy) was funny. We bought a pair of ferry tickets for cheap, then realised we had 25 minutes to find the overnight ferry to Greece. So we were riding on sidewalks, jumping off them etc. running through red lights & cutting agressively through traffic as if cars were mobile chicanes. The intention was that we wouldn't stop and make it across town in the nick of time.
As we got to the port a Policeman whistled for us to stop, so I braked and looked back - Pritam looked back but didn't brake and we consequently collided. He fell off - but only broke the end off his front brake lever. No harm done, but the Policeman was very apologetic and told us how to find the ferry - the wrong way down a one way street! We got on the boat, just as the drawbridge went up...

When we arrived to Greece we found fresh watermelons for sale at 5.30 am, followed by a few large tortoises crossing the road - veeeery slowly!

We went on to visit about 10 of the Cyclades Islands, staying in some places with Greek friends we knew who were also studying at university in the UK. Have great memories of these bikes being lowered into small passenger boats & removed with ropes & the help of locals amidst water so clear that we could see cigarette butts on the bottom, about 6-8 m down. Some great windsurfing in Greece too during the summer, from the crazy Meltemi winds that would blow each & every day. Ah, I loved that time too....

Sadly I lost the best pics of this trip, as I'd opened the camera without winding back the roll of film. So those were lost forever, but the memories still remain indelibly in my head. I was telling my wife just this week I'd love to take the family to Greece sometime in future - we will when the kids are a little older. Our Greek friends are still there and I miss Greek stuffed tomatoes & Spanacopita plus evenings in little tavenras eating traditional meals with Greek wine. I know my wife & the kids would love it too.

On our return to the UK, travelling through a long tunnel in the French Alps running on petrol fumes only - hoping we wouldn't run out, we followed a VFR750FG with a great sounding exhaust system (I'd clocked it was made by Devil - A French manufacturer). Haunted by the beautiful sound of the V4 as I sat behind it, my mind was made up there & then I was to sell the Dominator and get a VFR so I could do some more serious touring.

Pritam said I'd never do it because I'd enjoyed the Domi so much & had such great memories with it - but that was exactly what I did when I got back.
Then I bought a mint 3 year old 3,500 mile VFR750 FL. Toured a fair bit through Europe on it and clocked up some 69,000 hard ridden miles.





They most certainly don't make 'em like they used to and I have some great memories on this bike.

Soonish, thanks in part to Duckhunter, I hope the final remaining parts arrive so I can begin fitting my original SP2 front end onto it... :)
 

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Following Atif's suggestion, I dug out a few more pics & scanned them:

Here's one from Serifos, Greece - just after we'd met with Tina & George. He was a friend I'd met in London during is studies in the UK.
I still fondly remember arriving in Serifos and seeing Tina run out from a Cafe and ask if we were Miguel & Pritam. As we confirmed, she said excitedly, "Follow me"! and proceeded to whizz away on a little 50cc crosser. She's still an old friend to this day and remains mad as a hatter.



And a few of the VFR & the Domi again:



For the sake of continuation; going back to the NX650 again for a few moments.
One day whilst my friend drove a home-converted Ford transit ahead of me, I was following behind with his girlfriend as my passenger.
At a crossing, a Fiat Uno driven by a woman carrying a small child & travelling uphill at speed errantly crossed a red light and hit the van squarely on it's side. We watched in horror as the van first veered onto two wheels and about 10 metres ahead fell onto the driver's side. Fortunately nobody was hurt, although it did occur to me that had the Fiat come a few seconds later myself & the girl might have been killed.



For a year my friend & I negotiated with other driver's the insurance company and eventually got a full pay-out & we were also able to buy back the van as scrap for 500 GBP. I spent a day repairing it with a rented mig-welder and a few basic tools, including a sledge & a slide-hammer + a large sheet of steel. The driver's side was of course still badly scratched and somewhat dented too, so my biker friend Pritam suggested we throw a party for some budding artists.... And so one fine Saturday the van got re-painted with a focus on 'sea-life".
A life-saver ring I'd found on Brighton beach was attached to the back door and Neptune & a mermaid were the symbols on the bonnet. A couple of the hub caps were painted with spirals too.
Some of those budding artists weren't as good as others, but another coat of base blue would be brushed on whenever the panel of weed-smoking judges disapproved...



After our graduations from Sussex that summer, a total dozen guys & girls in equal quantity got together and headed for Cadaquez, Spain where one of the participant's parents had a holiday home complete with pool. We'd even managed to make sure my windsurfing equipment was loaded.

... I was the guy, 2nd from the left. Beth, the girl who'd ridden with Pritam & I to southern Italy was the blonde girl in the middle. Tina, the girl we'd met in Greece a couple of years prior - had shared a house with me whilst studying as an exchange student, so naturally she too joined this trip.



Not only because some enjoyed riding pillion, naturally for this trip to Spain I didn't want to be without my bike and one of the other guys had a flying teapot, a.k.a. a GSX600F, so he, Pritam & myself shared these 2 bikes + the driving of the much slower Diesel transit camper van.



Cadaquez is about 3 hours north of Barcelona, Spain with some fabulous open roads with a mix of tight chicanes & hairpins over mountains. As we crossed over the French border and it was a pleasure to play.
I've always had a soft spot for curves, I guess...



Some of us were friends and some were couples, but we all got on well and had some great, if not loud parties. Sometimes there was nude swimming, but it was only that.
Nearby were a couple of English girls who always dressed provocatively and we soon noticed they were evidently gagging for it.
Whenever we saw them pass by as we sat outside eating together showed inquisitive & envious signs of not being a part of our parties.
One night they stopped & openly asked if they could join in our orgies! We laughed and told them no, it was nothing like that - but in hindsight I wished we had confirmed.
... We guessed the other girls in our group wouldn't have approved though and besides, we all knew each other well, so new additions were only going to spoil the balance.
Funny though to know what they were thinking.

The village itself was stunning and unspoilt with quiet cobbled streets leading into a very picturesque & quaint market square. Historically it was the place where Salvador Dali had spent much of his life and there were paintings of his in cafes, although no doubt they were fakes... !
At the entrance to the village square I was often greeted by a very sexy & curvy Spanish police lady in a tight fitting uniform. As we'd head down to have coffee, I'd ride the VFR in nothing but a pair of shorts, which of course was to her disapproval, but I took pleasure in being told off by her so I'd keep doing the same, whilst fantasising she might take off her hat, let her hair down and ride back up the cobbled street with me. Unfortunately that never happened, although I was never presented with a ticket either...
After a couple of weeks, the time came for our return to Blighty, so on the last day I decided I'd profess my affections to said Police lady. I rode into town determined to find her, but alas she must've been on her day off.
Instead, I consoled my sorrows by finding the owner of a rather fetching but rusted & seized up 1947 Velosolex Goose-necked scooter that was languishing against a wall. Bought it from him for a few hundred pesetas and tied it on top of the van just in time for our departure. I later met a nice but very eccentric 2CV driving Englishman called Tim, with a whole collection of Velo=Solexes in his basement and he helped me restore it to full working condition.



I'll never forget the beautiful views riding through French roads lined with overhanging oaks and fields full of radiant yellow sunflowers at somewhere nearing 100 mph on the VFR. Memories are the reason I never sold the viffer. So glad I never did.

After we returned from that trip a colleague & friend from my engineering course approved so much of my VFR that he asked me to find one for him, so the search ensued for a couple of months till I found another similar minter that made me smile. We subsequently enjoyed some great rides together in Sussex during weekends. He'd been a schoolboy moto-crosser and knew how to handle his bike well. Great memories of chasing him over hump-backed bridges and grinding our "hero blobs" into the tarmac.
A few years after I left the UK, he sold his VFR & tells me he regrets it, but we remain old friends to this day and he's visited Japan a few times and we visited him in the UK. His garage is now full of stunning machinery
Now working on contract in South Korea next month he'll come to Japan with his family and the plan is we'll be riding the VFR & SP2 together. It'll be just like old times, only on this occasion I want to introduce him to some of my favourite roads around Fuji where we can spend an entire day exploring corner after corner.... More memories are yet to be made and the VFR should easily survive another 10-20 years.
Now the SP2 is about as fettled mechanically as I want it, the VFR will start getting better & ageing gracefully... So hopefully this summer my collection of parts will have reached critical mass & the modifications will start.

So when we do ride I'll do my best to post some pics up of our trip, perhaps here so we can continue this thread of tales our friend Atif begun...
 

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Holiday Happenings.

Glad all is well with you Doc. I've been absent due to vacation as well. Restoreth the soul and all that.:D

Yes, yes, Budoka. That's all very well, but where the heck is your vacation story & the darn pictures. Where, Man ?!? WHERE !?!


Hi Atif! I must be getting veeeeeeeery old! I missed this thread too!
I got your PM, sorry to hear, but it sounds like getting together for a ride is not an option this year. Ok, maybe in the near future...
Take good care, be safe, stay crazy, and keep the rubber side down!

I'm getting just as old as you are, John. Although you may not be as crazy as me. Chalk that up to not going to Med. School on your part.
I'm planning to definitely get to California one of these days for a ride. I just love the place. It's a whole different country compared to the rest of the US. This July is too short of a trip for me to do that, but I'll try next April. I'm also waiting for the Yamaha School of Champions to announce their April 2015 dates, so that I can attend a 3 day course there. Actually, the main reason I'm going is to sign a copy of "Sportbike Riding Techniques" by Nick Ienatsch. I've got his & Freddie Spencers' autographs, along with Dale Kieffer, etc. in my RC Owners Manual.
I shall try my best to get away to San Francisco on that trip as well, & rent a bike from "Racy Rentals", that you were so kind to recommend.




Maybe next time in Sugarland we'll get that ride in.
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Thanks for your message, Cycledog51. We stayed at the Hyatt Place, near the intersection of US 59 & FM1960 first week of Jan. this year. It's a great hotel, if you ever want to spend a weekend outside the house. I'm really sorry we couldn't get to meet or have a back road ride, but at least I'm comforted in the fact that I didn't even get an opportunity to ride my brothers' Repsol CBR 1000RR.
Houston is always a lot of fun for me, as we have so many friends there. Apparently my 6 yr. old daughter also liked it so much that she's been asking us whether we'll go to Houston on this trip, as well. Unfortunately, it'll have to be next year, God-Willing.





So, back to what I did on vacation.
Actually, the interesting thing was that the people at work forgot to confirm my original travel dates to the US, so that just 8 days before we were to fly to Washington, D.C., when I asked for my tickets at work, I was told "what tickets ?!?". Apparently, someone had forgotten to confirm our family's booking within 24 hrs. of purchase & so the process had to be repeated. I was a "little" nervous, as we'd already made flight & hotel reservations in the US on our own & I was afraid that we'd not be able to use any of them. Luckily for us, we were re booked & were able to make it onto our domestic US flights, but it was a little hectic because we could not get bookings from KSA to the USA for my original departure dates.
The day following our arrival, we attended my nephew's wedding. He is my eldest sister-in-law's son & they waited until we could get to Baltimore for their wedding. Aww, shucks. How nice. I felt mushy inside.
The following morning, we had a 0530 flight to catch to Houston in the freezing cold. It was Jan. 1st., but United got us to our destination on time. My brother picked us up from the airport & took us to our hotel in Sugar Land. After we dropped of the kids & my wife, he & I went to get some "Desi" food & to get my rental minivan from Enterprise, a few blocks from our hotel.
It was quite a long 25 min. process there, as I do not live in the States & don't have a vehicle or any car insurance & they wanted to confirm from my credit card company that Mastercard would cover me for any insurance related matters. That took 25 mins., getting put on hold & finally talking to a real person. I then made it to my hotel & we enjoyed our meal & went to sleep for a while on the white, fluffy & very comfortable bedsheets. It was cold in Houston, with daytime temps. in the mid teens (deg C), & nighttime temps in the single digits.

I'll stop here & chronicle what I did in Houston for the 7 days we were there.
Take Care, Guys.
I know I talk a lot, like a woman, but do feel free to share short (or long), stories from your vacations.
 

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Vacation Vamp.

So, since no one's sharing their vacation stories, I feel obliged to continue sharing mine.

I usually go see old colleagues of mine at Tomball Regional Hospital in NW Houston & the last 2 times I'd gone on my brothers' bike. However, this time I went in the rental minivan. Very cool. While there, I saw Dr. Peter Pham of Aphado Eye Associates. He is an Ophthalmologist who keeps an eye out on me (!).
Miguel asked me what was wrong with my eyes & I have a condition called Keratoconus. My cornea is cone shaped, instead of a dome shaped one. This causes some visual distortion. There are medical & surgical treatments, but I currently don't meet criteria for either one. It is bad enough that this was likely the cause of my not noticing that bump in the road, when I bent both rims last May. This was at night, when my vision is at it's worst. Unfortunately, it's also the time when out on my bike the most, as well.

Oh, well. The very good news that Dr. Pham gave me last visit was that my condition was not deteriorating. I was ecstatic. This was, in no small measure, the result of John's prayers for me which I'd requested in the past.
I cannot thank God & John enough for the good fortune that I've had, regarding my eyes, this last year.
Later that week in Houston, I took 2 of my wife's nephews to a gun range to fire an MP-5, when I heard that they'd never shot a firearm before. It's hard to get teenagers excited & they said that the experience was 'alright' (!). I could've shot myself at their lack of enthusiasm.
Anyway. There are some great Desi restaurants in the Hillcroft area in Houston & a Desi food truck on HWY 6, just North of the Bissonet intersection on the right, or East side. I've posted a 'photo of it in one of my past posts.
I'll stop here & document 2 close calls on the roads of Houston next time. I'm lucky that we did not end up in some morgue or hospital.

Take Care. You workaholics !!!


P.S. Thanks for posting such great pictures, Miguel. What a great bunch of people to have spent that time with.
 

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